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Higher speedlimits = no increase in collisions or severity there of
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Brent P
2008-06-26 12:29:39 UTC
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http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/24/2442.asp

"Mannering used a statistical model to calculate accident probabilities
based on his own examination of data from 390,000 accidents recorded by
the Indiana Vehicle Crash Record System. After applying the model, he
concluded that the increased speed limit had no effect on the
probability of suffering an accident nor did it increase the severity of
accidents that did occur.

In 2006, only 5.78 percent of the state's accidents were caused by
unsafe speed, a decrease from 2004. The study also noted that a 15 MPH
increase in the speed limit did not produce a 15 MPH increase in the
actual speed traveled. Instead, real speeds increased only 12 MPH. "
Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS
2008-06-26 15:53:11 UTC
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Post by Brent P
http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/24/2442.asp
"Mannering used a statistical model to calculate accident probabilities
based on his own examination of data from 390,000 accidents recorded by
the Indiana Vehicle Crash Record System. After applying the model, he
concluded that the increased speed limit had no effect on the
probability of suffering an accident nor did it increase the severity of
accidents that did occur.
In 2006, only 5.78 percent of the state's accidents were caused by
unsafe speed, a decrease from 2004. The study also noted that a 15 MPH
increase in the speed limit did not produce a 15 MPH increase in the
actual speed traveled. Instead, real speeds increased only 12 MPH. "
Hey stupid. The issue was settled in 1974 when we went to the 55 and
immediately highway deaths dropped by 16%. Case closed, moron.
s***@yahoo.com
2008-06-26 17:21:40 UTC
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Post by Brent P
http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/24/2442.asp
"Mannering used a statistical model to calculate accident probabilities
based on his own examination of data from 390,000 accidents recorded by
the Indiana Vehicle Crash Record System. After applying the model, he
concluded that the increased speed limit had no effect on the
probability of suffering an accident nor did it increase the severity of
accidents that did occur.
In 2006, only 5.78 percent of the state's accidents were caused by
unsafe speed, a decrease from 2004. The study also noted that a 15 MPH
increase in the speed limit did not produce a 15 MPH increase in the
actual speed traveled. Instead, real speeds increased only 12 MPH. "
Hey stupid. The issue was settled in 1974 when we went to the 55 and
immediately highway deaths dropped by 16%. Case closed, moron.
Can you give me tips on how to keep reality from intruding on my world-
view?

Like they say, if you're going to learn, learn from the master!


Dave
Larrybud
2008-06-26 19:32:44 UTC
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Post by Brent P
http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/24/2442.asp
"Mannering used a statistical model to calculate accident
probabilities based on his own examination of data from 390,000
accidents recorded by the Indiana Vehicle Crash Record System.
After applying the model, he concluded that the increased speed
limit had no effect on the probability of suffering an accident
nor did it increase the severity of accidents that did occur.
In 2006, only 5.78 percent of the state's accidents were caused
by unsafe speed, a decrease from 2004. The study also noted
that a 15 MPH increase in the speed limit did not produce a 15
MPH increase in the actual speed traveled. Instead, real speeds
increased only 12 MPH. "
Hey stupid. The issue was settled in 1974 when we went to the 55
and immediately highway deaths dropped by 16%. Case closed,
moron.
Explain the lack of increase when the 55 mph was removed?
Brent P
2008-06-26 19:35:54 UTC
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Post by Larrybud
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Post by Brent P
http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/24/2442.asp
"Mannering used a statistical model to calculate accident
probabilities based on his own examination of data from 390,000
accidents recorded by the Indiana Vehicle Crash Record System.
After applying the model, he concluded that the increased speed
limit had no effect on the probability of suffering an accident
nor did it increase the severity of accidents that did occur.
In 2006, only 5.78 percent of the state's accidents were caused
by unsafe speed, a decrease from 2004. The study also noted
that a 15 MPH increase in the speed limit did not produce a 15
MPH increase in the actual speed traveled. Instead, real speeds
increased only 12 MPH. "
Hey stupid. The issue was settled in 1974 when we went to the 55
and immediately highway deaths dropped by 16%. Case closed,
moron.
Explain the lack of increase when the 55 mph was removed?
1974 is when they changed how fatalities were measured. Everything about
the 55mph NMSL was fraud.
necromancer
2008-06-27 08:06:41 UTC
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On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 14:35:54 -0500, Brent P
Post by Brent P
Post by Larrybud
Post by Brent P
http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/24/2442.asp
"Mannering used a statistical model to calculate accident
probabilities based on his own examination of data from 390,000
accidents recorded by the Indiana Vehicle Crash Record System.
After applying the model, he concluded that the increased speed
limit had no effect on the probability of suffering an accident
nor did it increase the severity of accidents that did occur.
In 2006, only 5.78 percent of the state's accidents were caused
by unsafe speed, a decrease from 2004. The study also noted
that a 15 MPH increase in the speed limit did not produce a 15
MPH increase in the actual speed traveled. Instead, real speeds
increased only 12 MPH. "
<< censor SADDAM crapola >>
Post by Brent P
Post by Larrybud
Explain the lack of increase when the 55 mph was removed?
1974 is when they changed how fatalities were measured.
IOW, they cooked the books to get the result they wanted.

Maybe SFB could get a job at Enron or Bear Stearns seeing how it likes
fraud.
Post by Brent P
Everything about the 55mph NMSL was fraud.
Amen to that!

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Larrybud
2008-06-27 15:13:10 UTC
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Post by Brent P
Post by Larrybud
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Post by Brent P
http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/24/2442.asp
"Mannering used a statistical model to calculate accident
probabilities based on his own examination of data from
390,000 accidents recorded by the Indiana Vehicle Crash
Record System. After applying the model, he concluded that
the increased speed limit had no effect on the probability of
suffering an accident nor did it increase the severity of
accidents that did occur.
In 2006, only 5.78 percent of the state's accidents were
caused by unsafe speed, a decrease from 2004. The study also
noted that a 15 MPH increase in the speed limit did not
produce a 15 MPH increase in the actual speed traveled.
Instead, real speeds increased only 12 MPH. "
Hey stupid. The issue was settled in 1974 when we went to the
55 and immediately highway deaths dropped by 16%. Case
closed, moron.
Explain the lack of increase when the 55 mph was removed?
1974 is when they changed how fatalities were measured.
Everything about the 55mph NMSL was fraud.
How does one reclassify a dead guy?
Brent P
2008-06-27 15:23:48 UTC
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Post by Larrybud
Post by Brent P
Post by Larrybud
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Post by Brent P
http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/24/2442.asp
"Mannering used a statistical model to calculate accident
probabilities based on his own examination of data from
390,000 accidents recorded by the Indiana Vehicle Crash
Record System. After applying the model, he concluded that
the increased speed limit had no effect on the probability of
suffering an accident nor did it increase the severity of
accidents that did occur.
In 2006, only 5.78 percent of the state's accidents were
caused by unsafe speed, a decrease from 2004. The study also
noted that a 15 MPH increase in the speed limit did not
produce a 15 MPH increase in the actual speed traveled.
Instead, real speeds increased only 12 MPH. "
Hey stupid. The issue was settled in 1974 when we went to the
55 and immediately highway deaths dropped by 16%. Case
closed, moron.
Explain the lack of increase when the 55 mph was removed?
1974 is when they changed how fatalities were measured.
Everything about the 55mph NMSL was fraud.
How does one reclassify a dead guy?
This shouldn't have to be re-explained to you. It's when the person
died. In 1974 they shortened the period of time between the collision
and death. Prior to 1974 I think it was a year.... this dramatically
decreased what was considered a fatality from a traffic collision.
Larrybud
2008-06-27 16:57:29 UTC
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Post by Brent P
Post by Larrybud
Post by Brent P
1974 is when they changed how fatalities were measured.
Everything about the 55mph NMSL was fraud.
How does one reclassify a dead guy?
This shouldn't have to be re-explained to you. It's when the
person died. In 1974 they shortened the period of time between
the collision and death. Prior to 1974 I think it was a year....
this dramatically decreased what was considered a fatality from
a traffic collision.
LOL! I didn't realize it was ever "explained" to me in the first
place. Love to see a cite for that.
Brent P
2008-06-27 16:58:19 UTC
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Post by Larrybud
Post by Brent P
Post by Larrybud
Post by Brent P
1974 is when they changed how fatalities were measured.
Everything about the 55mph NMSL was fraud.
How does one reclassify a dead guy?
This shouldn't have to be re-explained to you. It's when the
person died. In 1974 they shortened the period of time between
the collision and death. Prior to 1974 I think it was a year....
this dramatically decreased what was considered a fatality from
a traffic collision.
LOL! I didn't realize it was ever "explained" to me in the first
place. Love to see a cite for that.
It was well cited several times in the last few YEARS. google it
yourself.
Larrybud
2008-06-28 21:37:22 UTC
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Post by Brent P
Post by Larrybud
Post by Brent P
Post by Larrybud
Post by Brent P
1974 is when they changed how fatalities were measured.
Everything about the 55mph NMSL was fraud.
How does one reclassify a dead guy?
This shouldn't have to be re-explained to you. It's when the
person died. In 1974 they shortened the period of time between
the collision and death. Prior to 1974 I think it was a year....
this dramatically decreased what was considered a fatality from
a traffic collision.
LOL! I didn't realize it was ever "explained" to me in the first
place. Love to see a cite for that.
It was well cited several times in the last few YEARS. google it
yourself.
Sorry, I have a life outside of r.a.d. I can't really remember a
million posts in the last few years.
Brent P
2008-06-28 21:41:03 UTC
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Post by Larrybud
Post by Brent P
Post by Larrybud
Post by Brent P
Post by Larrybud
Post by Brent P
1974 is when they changed how fatalities were measured.
Everything about the 55mph NMSL was fraud.
How does one reclassify a dead guy?
This shouldn't have to be re-explained to you. It's when the
person died. In 1974 they shortened the period of time between
the collision and death. Prior to 1974 I think it was a year....
this dramatically decreased what was considered a fatality from
a traffic collision.
LOL! I didn't realize it was ever "explained" to me in the first
place. Love to see a cite for that.
It was well cited several times in the last few YEARS. google it
yourself.
Sorry, I have a life outside of r.a.d. I can't really remember a
million posts in the last few years.
Same here, which is why I don't want to spend my time digging up
something you missed that has been discussed many times over.
Nate Nagel
2008-06-28 21:58:59 UTC
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Post by Larrybud
Post by Brent P
Post by Larrybud
Post by Brent P
Post by Larrybud
Post by Brent P
1974 is when they changed how fatalities were measured.
Everything about the 55mph NMSL was fraud.
How does one reclassify a dead guy?
This shouldn't have to be re-explained to you. It's when the
person died. In 1974 they shortened the period of time between
the collision and death. Prior to 1974 I think it was a year....
this dramatically decreased what was considered a fatality from
a traffic collision.
LOL! I didn't realize it was ever "explained" to me in the first
place. Love to see a cite for that.
It was well cited several times in the last few YEARS. google it
yourself.
Sorry, I have a life outside of r.a.d. I can't really remember a
million posts in the last few years.
Obviously, few of us can. However, Brent is correct, it's been
discussed at length here before, so if you care to learn more, cites are
only a google away. I believe it might have been JCW or maybe Chuck
Tomlinson that posted an excellent summary of the issue.

nate
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Arif Khokar
2008-06-28 22:50:21 UTC
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Post by Larrybud
Sorry, I have a life outside of r.a.d. I can't really remember a
million posts in the last few years.
Obviously, few of us can. However, Brent is correct, it's been
discussed at length here before, so if you care to learn more, cites are
only a google away. I believe it might have been JCW or maybe Chuck
Tomlinson that posted an excellent summary of the issue.
Well, to be fair, most people haven't been posting/reading r.a.d as long
as you or Brent have been (myself included). But it is fair to say that
Larry should just search r.a.d. for the issue in question.
Jim Yanik
2008-06-29 02:39:57 UTC
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Post by Nate Nagel
Post by Larrybud
Sorry, I have a life outside of r.a.d. I can't really remember a
million posts in the last few years.
Obviously, few of us can. However, Brent is correct, it's been
discussed at length here before, so if you care to learn more, cites
are only a google away. I believe it might have been JCW or maybe
Chuck Tomlinson that posted an excellent summary of the issue.
Well, to be fair, most people haven't been posting/reading r.a.d as
long as you or Brent have been (myself included). But it is fair to
say that Larry should just search r.a.d. for the issue in question.
seems that it's UseNet standard for the one making the claim to provide the
cites supporting their claim,when asked.

Not to just tell the doubter to search for them.
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Blach Lee
2023-03-23 19:56:57 UTC
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Post by Brent P
Post by Larrybud
Post by Brent P
Post by Larrybud
Post by Brent P
1974 is when they changed how fatalities were measured.
Everything about the 55mph NMSL was fraud.
How does one reclassify a dead guy?
This shouldn't have to be re-explained to you. It's when the
person died. In 1974 they shortened the period of time between
the collision and death. Prior to 1974 I think it was a year....
this dramatically decreased what was considered a fatality from
a traffic collision.
LOL! I didn't realize it was ever "explained" to me in the first
place. Love to see a cite for that.
It was well cited several times in the last few YEARS. google it
yourself.
Sorry, I have a life outside of r.a.d. I can't really remember a
million posts in the last few years.
Obviously, few of us can. However, Brent is correct, it's been
discussed at length here before, so if you care to learn more, cites are
only a google away. I believe it might have been JCW or maybe Chuck
Tomlinson that posted an excellent summary of the issue.
nate
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replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply.
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The smug Chuck (I can safely drive 40 MPH in a parking lot because I own a Corvette and I'm special) Tomlinson?

It's no surprise that these fools are still ignoring the laws of physics after all these years (old newsgroup reader here).

Being able to get away with higher speeds doesn't make them inherently safer, since a faster vehicle carries a lot more kinetic energy and crashes happen when things go wrong, not right. This is not debatable. Cherry-picking crashes only related to speed differentials is a convenient way to dodge physics.

A lot of fuel is also being wasted with ego-gratifying 80 MPH limits, but shallow Americans don't care.

Recent developments in woke ideology and "all or nothing" modes of thinking explain why speed freaks refuse to think critically.
Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS
2008-06-27 20:53:04 UTC
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Post by Brent P
This shouldn't have to be re-explained to you. It's when the person
died. In 1974 they shortened the period of time between the collision
and death. Prior to 1974 I think it was a year.... this dramatically
decreased what was considered a fatality from a traffic collision.
HAHAHA. Yeah and that happened 9000 times in 1974. HAHAHA. You car loons
will lie about anything.
Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS
2008-06-27 20:51:31 UTC
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Post by Brent P
1974 is when they changed how fatalities were measured.
You have made that preposterous statement a million times here at RAD and
never supplied an iota of proof.
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