Cars' keyless ignitions called 'deadly' in lawsuit

[Leroy N. Soetoro]

http://money.cnn.com/2015/08/26/autos/keyless-ignition-lawsuit/

Lawyers have filed a class action lawsuit against most major automakers
over what attorneys call a deadly "defect" in keyless ignition systems.

Keyless ignition systems, available on many new cars sold in the United
States today, allow drivers to start the car with the press of a button
while an electronic "key fob" remains in their pocket or purse. The car
will not start if the key fob is not detected inside the vehicle.

The "defect" alleged in the lawsuit is that, once the car has been
started, these systems allow to it continue running even after the fob
itself is no longer in the car.

The lawsuit cited cases in which drivers have inadvertently left their
vehicles running inside enclosed garages causing a build-up of toxic
odorless carbon monoxide gas that has seeped into homes, including at
least one case involving a Toyota Prius hybrid.

There have been 13 deaths in these sorts of incidents, according to the
lawsuit, and many more injuries. This is especially likely in cars that
have very quiet, smooth-running engines.

For example, in gasoline-electric hybrid cars, the engine may not be
running at all when the driver first gets out of the vehicle. The engine
could come on later, though, after power in the vehicles' batteries runs
low.

General Motors (GM) recently recalled older models of the Chevrolet Volt
plug-in hybrid to add software that would fix this very issue. Newer Volts
have software that will shut the car off after a few minutes if the key
fob leaves the vehicle.

Many vehicles make a sound, such as a horn beep to alert drivers if they
leave their vehicle while it's running.

Many automakers have also added an "auto-off" feature to their newer cars
and trucks, according to the lawsuilt but have not gone back to older
vehicles already on the road and added the software.

Among the automakers being sued are General Motors, Fiat Chrysler (FCAM),
Toyota (TM), Honda (HMC) and others. Most automakers contacted by CNNMoney
about this lawsuit have either not yet responded or have declined to
respond because they have not seen the lawsuit.

Ford Motor Co. said, in a statement, "Ford takes the safety of our
customers very seriously; the keyless ignition system has proven to be a
safe and reliable innovative feature that has been well-received by
customers. Ford vehicles equipped with keyless ignition alert drivers when
the driver's door is open and the vehicle's engine is running."
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[Harry K]

Post by Leroy N. Soetoro
http://money.cnn.com/2015/08/26/autos/keyless-ignition-lawsuit/
Lawyers have filed a class action lawsuit against most major automakers
over what attorneys call a deadly "defect" in keyless ignition systems.
Keyless ignition systems, available on many new cars sold in the United
States today, allow drivers to start the car with the press of a button
while an electronic "key fob" remains in their pocket or purse. The car
will not start if the key fob is not detected inside the vehicle.
The "defect" alleged in the lawsuit is that, once the car has been
started, these systems allow to it continue running even after the fob
itself is no longer in the car.
The lawsuit cited cases in which drivers have inadvertently left their
vehicles running inside enclosed garages causing a build-up of toxic
odorless carbon monoxide gas that has seeped into homes, including at
least one case involving a Toyota Prius hybrid.
There have been 13 deaths in these sorts of incidents, according to the
lawsuit, and many more injuries. This is especially likely in cars that
have very quiet, smooth-running engines.
For example, in gasoline-electric hybrid cars, the engine may not be
running at all when the driver first gets out of the vehicle. The engine
could come on later, though, after power in the vehicles' batteries runs
low.
General Motors (GM) recently recalled older models of the Chevrolet Volt
plug-in hybrid to add software that would fix this very issue. Newer Volts
have software that will shut the car off after a few minutes if the key
fob leaves the vehicle.
Many vehicles make a sound, such as a horn beep to alert drivers if they
leave their vehicle while it's running.
Many automakers have also added an "auto-off" feature to their newer cars
and trucks, according to the lawsuilt but have not gone back to older
vehicles already on the road and added the software.
Among the automakers being sued are General Motors, Fiat Chrysler (FCAM),
Toyota (TM), Honda (HMC) and others. Most automakers contacted by CNNMoney
about this lawsuit have either not yet responded or have declined to
respond because they have not seen the lawsuit.
Ford Motor Co. said, in a statement, "Ford takes the safety of our
customers very seriously; the keyless ignition system has proven to be a
safe and reliable innovative feature that has been well-received by
customers. Ford vehicles equipped with keyless ignition alert drivers when
the driver's door is open and the vehicle's engine is running."
--
Obama increased total debt from $10 trillion to $18 trillion in the six
years he has been in office, and sold out heterosexuals for Hollywood
queer liberal democrat donors.
Barack Obama, reelected by the dumbest voters in the history of the United
States of America. The only American president to deliberately import a
lethal infectious disease from Africa, Ebola.
Loretta Fuddy, killed after she "verified" Obama's phony birth
certificate.
Nancy Pelosi, Democrat criminal, accessory before and after the fact to
improper vetting of Barry Soetoro aka Barack Hussein Obama, a confirmed
felon using SSAN 042-68-4425, belonging to a dead man.
Obama ignored the brutal killing of an American diplomat in Benghazi, then
relieved American military officers who attempted to prevent said murder
in order to cover up his own ineptitude.
Obama continues his goal of disarming America while ObamaCare increases
insurance premiums 300% and leaves millions without health care.

NTSB is looking at that. Besst would be to ban the stupid things. They were already causing deaths in the early days of them. The case of the cop&wife in rental car. Supposedly had runaway, wife was on the phone with dispatch, hubby said he had pushed the button but the engine didn't stop (didn't know about the push and HOLD a few seconds) Ended with both dead after a crashing into a bridge abutment.

Of course I always did figure that was a murder/suicide. Went on too long for a cop not to have come up with a solution.

We must be breeding some very weak people if they can't even stick a key into an ignition and turn it.

Harry K

[The Real Bev]

Post by Harry K
NTSB is looking at that. Besst would be to ban the stupid things.
They were already causing deaths in the early days of them. The case
of the cop&wife in rental car. Supposedly had runaway, wife was on
the phone with dispatch, hubby said he had pushed the button but the
engine didn't stop (didn't know about the push and HOLD a few
seconds) Ended with both dead after a crashing into a bridge
abutment.
Of course I always did figure that was a murder/suicide. Went on too
long for a cop not to have come up with a solution.
We must be breeding some very weak people if they can't even stick a
key into an ignition and turn it.

Rental car had one of those things. With a regular key, there's a
convenient place to put it while you're driving -- IN THE KEYHOLE. With
the fob, you have to put it in a pocket, a purse, or just leave it
somewhere -- requiring you to find it when you get out of the car. You
can't just leave it in your pocket or purse because you have to push the
damn button to lock/unlock the car. I know the high-end cars work that
way, but how many people are going to buy a Lexus so they don't have to
hunt for their keys?

I REALLY want there to be cars with crank windows, physical doorlocks,
real throttles and brakes... you know, like back when we were kids and
could fix our own cars.

[Brent]

Post by The Real Bev
I REALLY want there to be cars with crank windows, physical doorlocks,
real throttles and brakes... you know, like back when we were kids and
could fix our own cars.

CAFE and interior packaging say you can't have those things in new cars.

Haven't much heard of brake by wire in cars though.

[The Real Bev]

Post by Brent

Post by The Real Bev
I REALLY want there to be cars with crank windows, physical doorlocks,
real throttles and brakes... you know, like back when we were kids and
could fix our own cars.

CAFE and interior packaging say you can't have those things in new cars.
Haven't much heard of brake by wire in cars though.

Doesn't seem like something that half a thought would allow, does it?
Since when did that stop them?

[Ashton Crusher]

On Fri, 11 Sep 2015 01:11:19 +0000 (UTC), Brent

Post by Brent

Post by The Real Bev
I REALLY want there to be cars with crank windows, physical doorlocks,
real throttles and brakes... you know, like back when we were kids and
could fix our own cars.

CAFE and interior packaging say you can't have those things in new cars.
Haven't much heard of brake by wire in cars though.

What do you think goes on in electric and hybrid vehicles? Most of
the braking is done by wire without any use of the mechanical brake
pads/rotors by turning the electric motor into a generator and using
it to stop the car. Mostly the physical braking system, pads, rotors,
is only applied enough to keep them from rusting and to hold the car
stopped.